Kind of hit a nerve there 338, talking about the magnum being okay for a grey zone shot. That falls back to the elmer keith theory of a raking shot on a elk with a magnum. Basically what he was sayin is what 338 just said limited light, poor animal position and the hunt winding down. Shooting an animal under poor conditions such as bad angles or a straight out ass shot so maybe just maybe you'll get another shoot is pure bull****. For all you that take shots like that so you try to get your kill everyyear make me sick. Sounds a bit harsh but I'll tell you what that is piss poor hunting ethics in my book.

Okay back on the 270 subject. It's more than adequate for elk and always will be unless the start building robo elk. I've seen enough magnum hunters that couldn't shoot their rifle to last me a lifetime while guiding. While some can shoot magnums as well as any other rifle I'm not picking on those guys. The worst thing I hate to hear from a new client is I just bought me a 338 ultra mag for the elk hunt. When the guy shot a 30-06 all his life he trades his trusty gun for a gun he really and trully hasn't had enough time to familiarize themselves with. I'd rather see a deer hunter from back east show up with a 270, 7mm-08, 308, 30-06 or anyother legal caliber for elk than trade off for a new elk rifle unless he's had time to get to know the rifle.

Take your 270 elk hunting. And don't be afraid of the 130gr bullet on elk I've seen it take more elk than most hunter will ever kill. Don't let that outfitter tell you when to shoot you take the shot for yourself. Take sensible shots that's what kills game not power.

While i'm on the subject if you can't kill game without having a cannon you need to take your ass back to the range and start practicing.