well the revolver out to 100 yards might be a little long (keep it to 75). with a carbine and handloads (15 or 16 grains of 2400) (thats a over max load and should be worked up too). the funny thing about that load is that the original load for the .357 was 14 or 15grains of 2400 but now they made a pansy round out of it to make it safe in weak guns. Out of a carbine it will yield 2000-2100 fps with a 180 bullet. whick is almost as good as a 30-30 but it has an advantage with a larger frontal area.