ArJay.. thanx for tellin everyone my secret. Also you have to be careful things aren't always as advertised. I bought my used patriot off ebay for $360 + $15 shipping. It was supposed to be a 29" 70# 2003 model. Well turns out it's a '02 27" model. So I have a year older bow and had to buy a 29" module... Not too big of a deal.. but I would have adjusted my bidding accordingly. Also make sure that you search for different spellings... as some people get pretty creative in their descriptions some times. Also make sure to check out the shipping price... I've seen auctions (not related to archery) where they'll have the price really cheap.. but then charge you $50 or something stupid for shipping. Good luck and buyer beware.