Just like to say that I wasn't meaning to attack mtair, just wanted to make my point clear and well supported, not to offend him or anyone else. I'd also like to comment, though, that I'm wondering if the 1000ft.lbs. mark doesn't come from the fact that most people set a limit of range on most high powered rifle cartridges, i.e. it's typically agreed upon that in the best of shooters' hands, a .243win is only good to 300yrds-350 at most, a .30-06 is only good to 600yrds, and it just so happens that for most of these cartridges, the energy level has dropped to 1000ft.lbs., pretty much this happens just as a coincidence, most .30-06's aren't accurate enough to make a 600yrd shot, so taking one at a farther range isn't realistic for most people, it's related to accuracy, not energy, then people consider that the .243 is so much weaker than the .30-06, so it can't be used at the same ranges, while a quick look at our tables shows that even the 1000ft.lbs. limit comes beyond 400yrds, again, it's not really related to energy...handgun cartridges are much more accurately judged to fit their energies (although their energy level and accuracy tend to limit out at the same range), as I mentioned before, a .44mag has about 600ft.lbs at its agreed upon maximum effective range-which is where groups start getting huge even under perfect conditions, and I can well vouch for the fact that the .44mag is ample medicine at 125yrds. Energy is energy, so there's no reason a .300win mag should need 1000ft.lbs. to kill a deer while a .44mag can get away with slightly over half that...most cartridges are only judged by accuracy, so rifles get undersold, while the "weak" cartridges of pistols tend to limit themselves in accuracy AND energy at virtually the same range.

BTW, mtair, how far off was that hog? I've never seen a .40S&W in action against them, heck, I've rarely handled one in any action-they're not terribly popular around here for some odd reason, I guess we're just living in the past out here. I'm a true blue .45acp pistol shooter, so I doubt I'll ever buy one, but my lil'lady's in the market for a new pistol, she's not really fond of her 9mm or .380.