WR, they don't score velvet deer in velvet. They peel it, and then score it. The buck gained "ZERO" inches by being in velvet. And as I posted before, the previous velvet record scored in at just over 196 inches. Pope and Young does not have a separate category for velvet records, but they do recognize them. When was the last time you shot a velvet buck? And I'd love it if you could post some pics of those bucks you got.