I JUST GOT MY NEW GUNS & AMMO AND HERE WE GO AGIN WITH WINCHESTER THEY ARE INTODUCING THE .25 WSSM IN 2004 . IT SAID IT SHOULD HAVE 25.06 BALLISTICS WITH LESS POWDER AND RECOIL CARTRIGDE LENGTH IS 2.36 AND THREE LOADS 120 GR. POSITIVE EXPANDING POINT, 85 GR SUPREMES, 115 BALLISTIC SILVERTIPS