well as some might know my dad bought the wrong ammo for me and i ended up with federal premium high energy 165 gr sieera soft point boat tails...i was worried they wouldnt expand like the nosler ballistic tips and HPs im used to.....and they didnt....ive taken 2 nice does with them so far....one was a perfect heart shot....went maybe 50yds out of pure adrenaline...runing into trees and falling the whole way.......she was about 25yd away when i shot her.....bullet didnt seem to expand much....couldnt find an entrance and the exit was quarter sized......doe #2...somewhere about 100yards away....hit a bit high but not much......blew the lungs to pieces.....deer dropped in her tracks.....and i think the shock hit the spine and made her drop.....the bullet didnt hit the spine but she fell like a spine hit....so i think the shock did that......i didnt look at the entrance....and the exit was about.....3 fingers wide....( i could fit 3 in the whole id say) not huge...but not small.......i didnt have to track either deer.....but they didnt explode how i hoped...moving at 3000fps they would been my dream bullet if they did more....but i cant complain.....they did their jobs.....so who needs big holes if the deer arent leaving your sight? i dont know if ill stay with these or not....they shoot good and move a bit faster......wish they were ballistic tips.....i like exposive bullets that leave a nice exit incase youd have to trail.....the second doe i know had a decint exit that would left tons of blood....but that was farther then my normal shots...heck my norm is 30yds....thats why hps work so well for me....they are moving so fast right there they just open up....but i cant complain about these bullets...they did their jobs.....maybe they are meant for a little farther shooting....these are in 3006 by the way.....i think theyd work nice for you long range guys.....just thought id let you guys know.......they work pretty nicely id say....they defientnly stayed together nicely......and shot good outa the old mauser...