I took this buck on a the first day of a two day modern gun permit hunt on public land. He is actually an 11 pt with the 12th point broke off to 1/2 inch. I'm still calling him a 12. He only weighed 165 lbs live weight and was 4 1/2 years old. The game warden said that he was chasing too many does. He was actually with a doe 22 yds from the base of my tree when I took my shot.