Thank you mrbb, I have read your comments on other posts regarding boots and warmth and I understand the logic and appreciate your input. I have virtually no walk at all to my hunting stands and I have tried some of your recommendations over the past 50+ years of bow hunting in the cold and none of those have worked. My feet start at the toe area and slowly the entire foot gets cold enough to hurt after maybe 3 hrs. in the tree. It is not that I am concerned about the amount of insulation in the boots that I need but why not the max if nothing has worked over the years. I just would like to know fit, comfort, durability, best socks with these boots, etc, and anything that I should be aware of with these two boots. Thanks