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Old 06-29-2020, 04:05 AM
Giant Nontypical
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The problem is liberal/progressive executives (mayors, governors). Liberals and progressives are VERY uncomfortable using force. Therefore, they use force ineptly. They wait too long to apply force, things get out of hand, then the ultimate application of force is harsh. This idea is set forth in James Burnham's book "Suicide of the West" published in 1964. It is amazing how sound the analysis in that book is and how well it continues to apply today. Bocajnala's post above indicates the RIGHT way to use force -- let people know from the get go that criminal behavior will not be tolerated.

A further question is WHY are liberal/progressive executives uncomfortable using force? Maybe because they view man as basically good, human nature is basically good. Force should be unnecessary because enlightened equals will see their error soon without the odious application of force. This is a distinctive view of human nature, and it is a view of human nature that has been espoused by intelligent people ONLY since the enlightenment. It certainly was not the view of Hobbes or Machiavelli or the Romans or the Greeks. Machiavelli said "Whoever desires to found a state and give it laws must start by assuming all men are bad and ever ready to display their vicious nature, whenever they may find occasion for it. Men act right only under compulsion." Discourses Book 1, chapter 3, by Machiavelli. I believe Aristotle says something consonant with this view of human nature. Why are we so foolish that we have turned our eyes away from the world as we find it and substituted some ideal of man as we wish he was?

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