tatonka, at first i thought you were from Pa. thats what its like here,too. t. shaffer and i grew up in the same town here in Pa. i dont hunt for horns as they cant be used for anything other then to put on a wall. there is a lot and i mean a lot of posted ground in my area. game lands are getting crowded as the hunters that cant find open land to hunt are going there. for the past 5 or 10 years the game commission has been complaining of license numbers dropping. wonder why. guess it takes some people w while to smarten up.