yeah buddie you can't own enough 45-70's in fact you can't own enough guns period. took a mature doe yesterday with a cva single shot 45-70. was going to still hunt in the morning & stalk hunt in the afternoon. was @ my truck eating lunch & took a cat nap & woke up to 4 does across the road in a state park that you can't hunt just watching me sleep & the 4 does came out of findley state park onto the property i hunt& i let them get about 25 yrds in a open field & took the biggest doe in the bunch . bam & down see went .it's was her dirt nap time .can't say enough about those 45-70 barnes bullet's