I am in complete agreement with you Bronko as far as rifle ammo goes. I can even reload my .223 ammo far cheaper than buying factory loaded but 9mm ammo just doesn't seem to come to that fruition. Especially when my time is factored in. Now with my Dillon, I can crank out some serious round count on 9mm and .45acp so it really doesn't take a whole lot of time to crank out 1000 rounds but with the price difference of around $40 total, and that's on the high side of the estimate, lets just say that is nowhere near my hourly rate for the 2 hours it takes me to put out 1000 rounds. And like Bocajnala that 2 hours could be spent with my twins shooting or being in my wife's hair which is where the evil side of myself likes to be. Even after all this time being together we still like each others company for the most part.