you guys did good bringing back a post more than 13 yrs old.. still a good topic .. I tell ya what works for me is to build a little fire before going out and smoke yourself head to toe .. to sum it up i'd say---before I started this I rarely saw a deer that didn't end up busting me .. now - I rarely get busted and I see so many relaxed deer ...after 45+ yrs of hunting and living on hunting land for over 28 yrs.. take this advise.. good hunting