Hi yeah i did get scopes from my old redfeild but with my new diamond back hp 4x16 with 4.00" + i no longer get scope eye my son, on the other hand when he has his scopes cranked up to 24 power yes he gets scoped so now he has to keep his down 16 power and below to keep safe from getting bit,that is why iam saying i cant afford to give any more eye relief i mean the prices and reviews on the new Athlon are super and i would gladly give them a try but the eye relief is short.Unless i buy one for my .270 Win or .243