Ever shot a Howa? If you have then you have basically shot a weatherby vanguard. Pretty much the same rifle with different branding. I've got a few old Mark V's that are among the best shooting rifles I own that are factory original. I think one of them is a cheat though. I bought it off a guy that SAYS it's how it came to him brand new but I think it was one of Roy's custom jobs and the guy didn't know. It's one of his 7mm WMAG rifles and you can cover a 5 shot group at 200 yards with a dime.