Thanks for the info. Reason why I'm asking is my 13 yr old grandson is working this summer to purchase his first rifle in 7mm-08. So I'm trying to get him some ideas from you guys instead of what the guy behind the counter at Cabella's told him. Basically the guy told him to forget Remington as they are not what they use to be in finish and quality and that he could look at either Ruger or Savage??