I still think they are fudging the numbers somewhat Mercy. Even with a 24 inch barrel you would be hard pressed to get me to believe you can achieve 7mm-08 speeds from over a 20% drop in case capacity using the same bullet weight. They MAY get relatively close to a lite loaded factory round with theirs being hot rod loads. But if you do a TRUE comparison, both cartridges compared equally in powder fill (both cartridges filled to top performance) and barrel length then there is no physical way possible it can achieve the same speeds or even close for that matter.