IMHO one should be shunned from our hunting fraternity that makes a comment like you did to start this thread about wanting to learn how to ...Edited by Champlain islander... That was one stupid comment and from reading your other posts made today you are not stupid, so I wonder why that post was put up if you aren't a violator or don't plan on being one! FYI Oldtimr and I are both retirees from LE positions with two states and that comment you made especially chaps our rears and should for every other member that reads it!