My one 12yr old grandson harvested his first doe this year using my White ML shooting 70gr of T7-3F behind a 465gr connical. I asked him how was the recoil? He just shrugged his shoulders and said it was just fine. My 8yr old grandson got his first doe also with my other 45cal White with 55gr of T7-3F with a 350gr bullet with no problem at all.