my cousin is the one who is trying to get me to go with berger but the buck he shot this year with the vld litteraly blew apart, only a piece of the copper jacket was recovered and no pass threw and that's on a texas hill country buck and there not generally big bodied dear but I guess a guy could chalk that up to high velocities and @ 100 yards with a 300wby mag my guess that long range bullet works better once it slows down at a further range but not sure