why do the dogs need to be in shape? the last time i checked, Va has a 7 week gun season. why cant they start "training" on that 3rd saturday of November? they should be in "shape" (whatever that means) by the 4th saturday. does a dog really need to be in shape to push a deer in front of you? sorry--i just had to vent. the deer doggers are why Va does not allow Sunday hunting..the dog clubs that i have seen run their dogs to death anyway.