Thank you everyone that was some great information. and olsaltydog please let me know how you made out im dying hear the rest, I cant wait for this weekend to get out and do some more scouting, im pretty much self taught unfourtunatly no one in my family hunts or any of my friends a couple of them fish thats about it the couple people i know are so tight lipped its not funny so I read every book and magazine i can get my hands on and thank god for this forum lol
thanks again everyone for taking the time to help me out