I shoot them out of my Rem 870 and love them. I sight my gun in at 90yds knowing I wont take a shot longer than that (too thick in the woods) and most shots around 50 yds will be dead on.....with my gun. As for a scope, not sure what price range you are looking for but you will biased opinions on this subject. My choice is Leupold or Simmons. Just depends on what money you want to throw down on it.