i dont think theyre bad guns, they dont seem to point well for me and for some reason i just dont like the beavertail safety on it but thats just me. I know a lot of people really like them but if i was looking for a carry gun id prob look at the glock 36( i think thats the 45) and if i was looking for a shooting/range gun id look at a 1911 style like the kimber (ive got a rock island 45 which is considered one of the bottom of the barrel 1911's and its one of the most accurate pistols i own).