Just discussed this on another forum. TC's are a dime a dozen these days, they sit and sit until you drop the price on them down to around $225-$250 for a .45 or 50cal percussion. $300 maybe a bit more for flintlock. Normally the bores are scared up good as well. The trend these days are the old CVA Mountain Rifles. Its getting extremely hard to buy them under $350 these days. They are holding higher values than both the TC and Lymans. Best part, you can still order the 45 50 54 and 58cal barrels for the Mountain Rifles.