I'm trying to figure out what gunplummer means when he says they'll drop if you shoot them through the flat shoulder bone...I've read several people say they've dropped deer with the 223 by shooting them in the shoulder. The only deer I ever lost was with a 30-30 shoulder shot.

I guess they mean high on the shoulder and towards the back...anyway...I just ordered a Saiga 223 and I feel pretty good about shot placement but am a little worried about having to track after a lung shot.

I typically drop them with a 16 ga. slug or put a lung shot on them with a 30-06 which so far has kept them within about 50 yards...I got this Saiga for 300 bucks at classic arms and would like to start using it for deer. I am a little hesitant but willl probabaly take a good shot if I get one. to me...this is a beautiful gun for 300. I even like the sporterized version...not going to convert it to look pretty cause I'm not asking whatever's on the other end for a date...