Thanks for the great information there. I am not refuting anything here, I just have no experience with any of the bullets since this is my first year muzzleloading. I am just thinking out loud here, I have read many comments on different hunting boards that the Barnes Expanders drop animals in their tracks and you can send a 250 grain with 125 grains of T7 FFF at 2100 fps they claim. While out elk hunting this year I came across a dead elk that had been shot right in the boiler maker right behind the lower shoulder, a perfect heart shot, It had been there for a couple days it looked like, I could see no blood trail, the animal had obviously ran off after the shot and the hunter lost it after making what I consider a perfect shot. The shot could not have been more than 100 yards considering the terrain it was in. How could there not be an exit wound and blood trail on this animal? After talking with a few other hunters I was told that there is rarely an exit wound and many hunters think they have missed when the animal goes running off and there is no blood trail. I want to know that if I make a great shot, the animal is going to drop or there should be an exit wound that leaves a good blood trail. I will pay more money for a bullet that does that.