Thanks westtex, honestly im in a tripod,, i can turn any direction and every area looks like a great spot.. behind me is thick brush and pines where they are traveling.. to my left is nothing but huge thicket and brush,,, in front of me is a large opening between two thickets and in the back of that opening a swamp, to my right is where the deer seem to be traveling from but i can see them until they are basically behind me.. Honestly, if it was for two young deer playing, i would never have saw the three bucks. its just there are tooooo many places for a deer to step out. And honestly the bucks were only about 70 yards away but if im not looking through the right holes, ill miss them, but that goes for my whole area.. its a great spot, im just trying to not be looking in the wrong direction in fear that they will pass behind me when im turned the wrong way.. Bait would kinda localize the drama, but again, dont want to make them come by at night.