goto sportsmans guide, they got close outs on nice scent free under layers and also good deals on outer layers as well. I move around alot when i hunt so i usually get hot, also im in va so it doesnt get crazy cold here to begin with. I think layers are the way to go.....thermal underlayer, then hunting shirts and pants, or shirt and bibs and a coat, with decent boots like mucks. If youre cold with that set up....its colddddddddddd outside. Also try to catch dicks sporting goods next year after christmas, they had some unreal closeout deals, i bought almost $400 worth of hunting clothes for 150$.