Well I tell you why I ask I was bidding on a 2009 bear game over fully loaded it was 60 pounds draw my high bid was 320.00 I ended up getting out bid so I looked again and found another ending in 20 minutes the high bid was 180.00 so I waited it out to the last seconds of the auction and bid 250 I won the auction its a fully loaded bear game over with 70 pound draw weight,I am ready to try a more modern bow out.Thanks for all the input.