wow i am shocked by some of the responses on this. i was just wanting to vent. i respect land owners rights completely that is why i did the right thing and went and asked for permission. i was just dumb founded by his rudeness and his response. not sure if he was having a bad day or what. maybe he has had some bad experiences in the past not sure what his deal was. i know if i had land myself i would want someone to ask me for permission but i would never say no and let an animal go to waste. i would go with them and make sure everything was done correctly. i know now where im going to be for next shotgun season. right out in the crp field at sun up to make sure no deer comes his way. i think it might be a good day to do a little more scouting.