At Macks you can get Winchester Experts, BB, 1,2, or 4, at 1550 fps for $84.80 with a 30 dollar mail in rebate. Thats $5.48 a box. Tell me where you can beat that deal!! I got a case last week (actually had a buddy pick them up for me) and I split the case up in 2' s and 4' s.