You guys should try hunting Allegheny county. It consists of hunting in people's backyards, public Parks, and not wearing orange. I don't literally mean that but there is not much land to hunt. everyrtime there is a shot the cops are called. I do some hunting at my camp that's about 30-45 minutes from state college. I do alright though. I have hunted for 8 years and shot 12 deer (3 bucks) and 2 Turkey so I do okay