the roost is on my land.. but its in a creek bottom (bowl) no more than 50 x50 yards with steep cliffs on both sides.. they dont fly down into the bottom in the am.. they fly from the tree tops to the pasture on the cliff edge which isnt my property.. only way i could get down into the bottom i think and possibly make them fly another way is to walk 1/2 mile of creek down stream to the bowl. or would i just chalk this 1 for bad luck and find birds elsewhere? im hunting with a bow.. and ground blind