Well I've been hunting hard this weekend and the closest we got to birds was about 75 yards away. We've been hunting these 5 toms that we guess to be about 3.5 years old. They have been notoriously hard to hunt the past couple years, and the weird thing is they all stick together and never fight each other. They all roost together every night and all fly down and strut together every day. They are basically uncallable, they gobble once in a while but that's about it. They don't care about decoys (its almost like they know they're fake). They are with 5 hens and we thought if we could separate them then we could call the toms in but they stayed in the grove the entire day gobbling their heads off. No sign of that jake I missed the first day. My fiance (whos hunted turkeys since he was very young) keeps saying "these are not normal birds!" and I'm starting to believe him lol. Any tips you guys have to try and get one of these birds? We don't really have any better places to hunt... The place with the toms is a grove with a field to the east and a pasture to the north, with a river splitting the grove/field from the pasture. There are a bunch of willows across the river from the grove and it seems like every day the toms fly across to the willows, and then walk through those to get to a bean field on the opposite side of the pasture (we can't hunt the bean field, just the pasture and the grove). Sometimes they will fly across the river and strut in the pasture but whenever we set up there they never show up.