Sorry guys kinda forgot about the post, checked on it before I left and then it slipped my mind. I took my trusty ole 280 instead of the 25 not sure why just have lots of faith in one and just don't feel I have shot the 25 enough. It didn't make much difference, I didn't get a shot. a buddy got a nice 4x4 and we had a great time. I don't know enough about Muleys to know why but we didn't see many deer. I think the population is down in that area, one guy that went with us said we saw in a week what they used to see in a day. All around great hunt, going back again but probably to another unit. Thanks for all the responses couldn't believe it when I finally got back on here. I will have to get the 25 tuned in and give it a try on some hogs and whitetails. Thanks again.