wow testy when the facts are RIGHT, i let mine down without shooting just fine you gotta know what to do, even with my defender i can, and ive owned an excal they are good bows too but not my cup of tea, i spend way too much time in a stand to really enjoy the championships that excal has won that has no bearing to me or the regular guy that buys a crossbow, Cossack were in this together, lets agree to disagree they both make good products and if we keep talking c&@% on here the administrator will kick us off, anyway we that shoot crossbows have won a great deal the past two years with all the states coming on board only great debates will be in our future,speed........