well if you have to curse to make a point, it usually means you dont have much else to back it up.I never said people who dont kill big bucks, dont hunt hard. I said just cause you dont see em, doesnt mean they dont exist. Ive seen too many big bucks killed ,and big sheds found ,in places Ive spent hundreds of hours on stand w/out seeing anything bigger than 100". I doubt anyone can point to a study showing that certain areas dont hold any big bucks, how could there be? how can anyone say w/ certainty that there are no big bucks in any given area?