I have literarly hunted out of nearly every climber ever made and the hand climber on the lone wolf is a POS its that simple.The seat sucks (not comfy) They have a cool platform but it stops there. Buy a summit open shot top to go with their platform if you ahve to have it. I personally think it is over rated and over priced for what you are getting. The thing is once you pay 350 buck for a climber you have to justify all the short comings.