If I came across as a smart ass, I' m sorry just frustrated with what seems like incompetency. I truely want to get everything I can from everyone here! Any knowledge you can pass on would be greatly appreciated! I am curious about building a press but not abjected to spendin the money to buy a decent press ( any recommendations?) I just want to learn how to do thing the right way the first time. Oh and by the way I took a look at the books you folks have reccommended and Thanks to you guys and Amazon they wil be in the mail soon. Thanks for your help and I am looking forward to the wealth of information you folks can help me with!