In all fairness, 8mm, somebody gave it to him. He was helping a guy move who had had a bad hunting experience (wounded the deer, I think), put the gun in his closet and never used it again. My buddy discovered it and the guy said, " It' s yours." My buddy never used it and knew I was looking for a lever action (I' m a lefty) and he said the same thing. Shot my first whitetail with it last year on the Tug Hill in NY. I don' t think the .308 (and the scope) were ever more underutilized (the deer ran down a ravine and stopped about 15 yards in front of me. :-)