I took 3 a nice 8 a button and a doe. the big doe was down a logging road and a little way into a corn field broadside and standing in a WMA I drew a permit for last year, the Shock Wave 250 gr went in behind the shoulder right over the top of the heart and came out the other side in close to the same spot the load was 120gr of BH, she jumped up and came down on her face, both bucks were taken at between 25 and 30 yards with 250 gr Gold Dots both hit about the same place as the doe only the small one was on a bit of an angle and it came out of his shoulder.The load for the Gold Dots was 110gr BH and the gun for all was the Triumph. Lee