Unbelivable that someone would run their mouth like this. A .270 WSM with a 140 grain controlled expansion, high weight retention bullet will smoke the biggest bull at 600 yards ifthe shooter is capable of the shot. I train rifle shooters year round. My students take gameyearlyat distance.It is all about equipment, skill and practice.Match muzzle velocity with ballistic coefficient and bullet choice. Come out to Utah and I will help you fine tune your shooting skills at distance. I am all about ethics.Take the shot that you are confident you can make. Make the first shot count! Know the ballistics of your gun. Simple as that.