Sounds awesome BTB, and thanks again for the input. The woods plot I have in mind is about fifty yards in the woods from an overgrown hay field. Its located near the corner of the field and the deer travel up and down both sides of the field just inside the woods, and the trails intersect right there. Its fairly close to a property line that gets pretty decent hunting pressure so that pushes them towards this area too. Its fairly open in there now because it got logged last summer but i'm sure it will be getting thick over the spring and summer. The stand is located WAAAYYYY up this old hemlock tree and overlooks a little natural clearing, maybe a 1/5 of an acre. With a chainsaw i figure i can knock down a few of the smaller trees there to open it up a little more to make the plot bigger and let more light in. I thought with those trees gone I would just rake away any leaves and score the groung up with the rake, lime, fertilize, and then use a no plow seed mix. Since the soil condition i'm sure is going to be pretty mediocre I'm not planning on amazing growth, but i figure if I can give them another reason to walk through there it will be worth it. You said you used agricultural lime on your plot, why was it more messy then pelletized lime? I thought it was all basically the same stuff? How much does lime generally cost if you don't mind me asking?