Wow, I haven't posted here for a long time.I miss it. In my opinion, if you put the bullet and the powder in seperately and do it from the wrong end, it's a muzzleloader. That said, I used to think the Savage not necessarily crossed the line, but it at least blurred it, and I thought the Electra was just a dumb idea. But I also haven't touched a gun since ML season last year. With two kids under 2 I just don't have the time to get out and shoot. And if I do, I'm probably not going to be able to get it cleaned the same day, so I'm not going to risk ruining my guns. So, if I had $600 to go buy a Savage right now, I would do it in a heartbeat. I miss shooting. That way I could go out and shoot, and if I couldn't get back to clean for a few days, it's ok. I guess what I'm saying is I see that every gun is not for everybody, but there's a niche for every gun, and for some people, the Savage or the Electra are the perfect gun, and for those people it allows them to further the shooting sport, and so it's ok.

I still think the Electra is a dumb idea though.

Vince