ORIGINAL: Cornelius08
"It is not only obvious that you don’t know much of anything about any of the Commissioners, past or present and that you really don’t believe in the democratic system in which people vote on a common direction for the good of the future. "
LMAO AGAIN! lol. I know P-L-E-N-T-Y about our fine commissioners....AND unfortunately the not so fine ones as well.
I believe 100% in a democratic society. Thats why I and 900,000 other hunters would like to be heard for a change. Our ballot has seemingly come up missing these days. Given to a small group of extremists who are reveling in their newfound tyranny.
"The reason there is a Board of Commissioners is to prevent one or two people from making decisions that aren’t the direction the majority want for the future."
And exactly what good is it when over half are hand picked to achieve a commonpredetermined goal!! Thats EXACTLY what has happened,and that "goal" has nothing to do with the welfare of our sport. Those pushing the agenda see our hunting lifestyle as nothing more than a necessary evil. Use the hunter to pay thebills and kil the deerto create a rediculous biodiversity extremetreehugger utopia.
"As near as I can see, and I am confident most readers beyond you and the other handful of malcontents and other USP sympathizers, agree that what you are apposed to is anyone that has enough knowledge to understand the inter-relationships between wildlife populations and their habitats and food supplies. "
Rsb, That concept can only carry your arguement and support for the plan so far. I agree 100% with the basic concepts of the relationships of wildlife an habitat. I also know these basic concepts have been stretched past their breaking point as an excuse to go to extremes. PGC's data bears this out, and you are more than aware of the things of which i speak.
"In other words you are opposed to anyone that is willing to do the right thing by listening to the management professionals instead of the least educated people concerning deer management or other environmental management issues. "
I am opposed to people who support the notion that deer are "mountain maggots" and I am opposed to people coming in that I pretty much know for a fact are going to be "antideer" which in some cases is quite clear from day 1.
"But, since you claim you really wanted to talk about facts, why don’t you go ahead and post some. So far I can’t recall nay facts you posted. As I already pointed out your opinions are not facts anywhere accept in your own head. "
About what? What do you need an explanation on?? I believe thusfar Ive been more than clear.
But to summarize.... Fact-- this guy is associated with BOTH ruffed grouse society and pf. BOTH of which have supported pgc antideer crusade, and signed off on letters written by pfsc and audubon in regards to our deer plan.... They also have partnered in antideer propaganda campaigns with pgc and of all people THE AUDUBON SOCIETY. There are also several grouse society jokers on hpa and every one Im aware of speaks out 100% in support of deerslaughter.
FACT-- This guys HERO and mentor did NOT think highly of deer, calling them "MOUNTAIN MAGGOTS"....
FACT-- This guy has worked with pgc according to himself often, and has worked with wmi as well as dep, usfw, and department of ag...and others on his resume' who ARE ALL ANTIDEER...
Now for cryin' out loud...after lookin over those FACTS, How much more need there be to pause and say...Hmmm This isnt looking so good, maybe we can find another person not so highly biased ,as it appears to be the case anyway, against deer! Thats why these people give resume's so it can be evaluated. After evaluating, this is NOT a guy I think I would want to take a chance on for the next SIXTEEN YEARS! I also dont believe that the majority of our states hunters who are fed up would want "more of the same" if they were to all know what was going on here.
Right there is the perfect of example of just how biased and wrong you and the other like minded people are.
None of those groups is anti-deer as you claim. They do all support sound management principles that benefit all wildlife species, including deer, though instead of just demanding nothing but deer and all else be dammed. The reason they support the sound management principles and practices isn’t because they are don’t like deer or that they are anti-hunting or anti-hunter. They support those sound management practices because they have enough knowledge to know that those sound management practices and principles are also what will provide the most deer for the long term future, even though it might mean having fewer then the maximum number of SHORT TERM deer numbers.
What people like you can’t seem to understand is that you can’t keep more deer then the habitat can support without causing harm to that habitat for more then short term periods of time. If you do carry more then the habitat can support for the long term all you are doing is allowing those extra deer to damage the habitat and food supply so that NATURE is guaranteeing that you will have fewer deer in the future.
Just like in you home area of unit 2A the deer numbers were reduced because the deer and their food supply were both showing signs of over population for their habitat. Therefore, any responsible wildlife manager would attempt to reduce that number so it can continue to support high deer numbers long into the future even though that number might be slightly less then it had been. If those responsible management professionals don’t reduce populations when the deer and habitat data show signs of over population then I can tell you with 100% certainty that you would have even fewer deer in your future then you end up with the slight reduction that occurs from harvesting a few more to get them back in balance with their habitat.
You also have to remember that 2A is an area where the human population is growing and continuously taking a bigger bite out of the habitat. Every time someone builds a new home, a new highway, a new shopping mall or business or even if they just expand the area they affect it takes away some habitat that was available to wildlife. That means the wildlife gets crowded into a smaller area and you have to accept the fact there will be les wildlife as a result.
I know you don’t like those facts and I also know you will not accept them because you don’t like them. But, sticking your head in the sand and pretending the factsaren't alsoreality does nothing more then prevent you from seeing the reality that surrounds you. It is about the same as the ostrich sticking his head in the sand to avoid seeing the lion that is about to attack him. Just like the ostrich with your head in the sand you aren’t protected from anything other then the knowledge of reality and what your future might be of you don't open your eye.
There is no conspiracy, by any of those groups or the Game Commission, to do anything that harms the future of hunting or deer populations, in fact it is quite the contrary. Those groups you keep bad mouthing simply have an interest in protecting the deer from destroying themselves and their future by destroying their food supply. Some hunters though simply don’t seem to understand that or just don’t have the capacity to accept the reality of it.
R.S. Bodenhorn