In the last 20 years we have had in excess of 15 - 20 doe' s per buck ratio... VT, I don' t see where Dan says he has a limited deer herd... ie small. We have seen QDM, not QDMA produce great results in small areas, less than 100 acres. Saftey area' s are many times the missing link with the reduction of doe' s. Believe me, we are around this stuff fairly extensive. S Texas, we cull deer to manage them when the doe ratio is out of whack. Texas is a prime example of doe reduction to increase buck size and class. Texas, Pennsylvania, Michigan are all high deer population number states, but for different reasons. Michigan has made major reductions, not always welcome, and has kinda dropped the ball with antlerless permits. We cull way too many button bucks but are seeing bigger bucks in the smaller managed zones.