RE: shotgun guys.............
I shoot a 870 wingmaster with a hastings (1:34" twist) w/ a cantilever mount andan aimpoint redot up top. I have tried EVERY slug out there ans the hybred elites by far goup the best in my gun. at 50 yards its a ragged one hole group. and at 125 yards 1.5-2" groups are pretty regular. but they are a maximum expansion slug and at close range they fly apart in deer