Thanks guys.That is exactly what I needed.Went to the range this morning and shot off some of each 777 2f and then 3f.Got my normal 1 to 1 1/4 " 5 shot groups on two strings of 2f.Then went to 3f.Groups opened to about 1 3/4 ".Was loading 110gr.of each.Did not know of the idea of reduceing charge when useing 3f.Not unhappy at all with the 2f grouping, just tinkering I guess.Thanks again for all your replys.I continue to learn so much from this site. hunt4me